Привет!
Я через неделю перебираюсь на ПМЖ из Германии в Канаду (Едмонтон)Есть кто нибудь из этих краев? В Германии занимался стрельбой, поетому беру с собой 2 винтовки SAKO TRG 42 and SAUER 80.
Кто нибудь может подробнее рассказть о регистрации стволов в Канаде?
Заранее спасибо.
Регистрация стволов в Канаде настолько проста, что никак не вспомню, как она делается. Обычно её делает сам продавец в магазине по телефону. К тому же её скоро отменят. Но в Вашем случае можно ожидать трудностей. Дело в том, что для владения оружием необходимо всё-таки разрешение - т.наз. permis d'acquisition et de possession - извините, не знаю, как это будет по-английски. И вот эта фигня достаточно непростая. Для её получения необходимо пройти двухдневные курсы, сдать экзамены, представить рекомендации от двух не родственных Вам граждан или резидентов страны, знакомых с Вами не менее трёх лет и после этого ждать её ещё год, пока полиция прочухается. Так что желаю удачи.
немного добавлю, да это правда , что вам придеться получить право на ношение и хранение оружия. для этого поскольку вы приезажете как эммигрант , вам придеться хотябы пол года прожить чтоб получить право на ружья. тест не труден и оформление тоже не так страшно, поскольку если вы уже получили визу, то все уже они проверили. вам не придеться ждать года. я узнаю точно по поводу ружей и какие права на вьезд. если вам нужна более подробная инфо, прошу написать мне в личку ваши координаты и постараюсь помочь.
Что везем? 😀 Короче кинь мне в ПМ свой имайл, скажу все что хочешь...
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*Серебряная пуля залезла тихо в ствол*
Короче, коротко, не волнуыся, но скажи что за стволы мне... не все дадут ввезти...
При въезде дашь им список стволов на етой форме http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_ligne/form-assistance/PDFs/909_e.pdf если больше 3х то добавь их тут http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_ligne/form-assistance/PDFs/910_e.pdf Заплатишь $25 и все ок. Но придется позвонить 1 800 731-4000 и продлить... пока будешь в Канаде - возмешь курс безопасности оружия (2 дня) и пошлешь форму на разрешение на оружие... получишь карточку и дело в шляпе... остальное мелочи... законы у нас каждый день меняются, но 2007 года можно иметь нелегальные стволы уже, так что не боись!
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ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ !
Спасибо всем за помощь!
Я везу 2 ствола SAKO TRG 42 (300WinMag) and SAUER 80 (8x68mm).
В канадском посольстве в Берлине работают полные му...ки, которые ничего толком не знают и никакой инфой по етому вопросу не владеют.
Так что буду искать дальше.
Удачи всем.
Самое простое, как Вам ни покажется странным, продать стволы до отъезда.
1. Ситуация не типичная - new comer с оружием. Заморочек непредвиденных может быть тьма. А вам надо пройти иммиграционный процесс быстро и спокойно.
2. Не забывайте, что с Вами семья (если таковая имеется). Даже без опружия - переезд это солидный стресс. Уменьшите его насколько это возмозжно. Пожалейте нервы супруги и детей.
3. Поверьте мне, по приезде у вас будет первостепенных забот столько, что об оружии вы врядли вспомните раньше чем через полгода.
4. Так или иначе, вам понадобится канадская лицензия на владение оружием - PAL. Пока Вы ее получите, тож пройдет много времени.
5. Рынок оружия в Канаде, а у нас в Альберте и подавно, очень насыщен. Оружие однозначно дешевле, чем в России (не знаю ситуацию в Германии). Так что может статься, что по деньгам даже и выиграете.
Так что "сбросьте" стволы, езжайте налегке. Будьте реалистом.
Ситуация мне напоминает аналогичную с компьютерами. Знаю людей, что тащили сюда бандуры 5-летнего возраста, которым цена здесь минусовая, надо еще заплатить чтоб от него избавиться 😛
С уважением
флинт
Спасибо за совет Flint´u
Буду искать информацию дальше.
"работают полные му...ки" = Welcome to Canada!
Оружие определенно не кидай - купить то же самое будет слишком дорого и нефиг деньги тратиь на ето по приезду - других забот будет хватать. Формы я дал - заполни и отошли им. Вот полный линк - если английский знаешь - там все ответы:
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/moving_e.asp
Firearm Owners Moving to Canada
This information is intended for Canadians who have been living out of the country and who are returning to Canada with firearms, or non-residents who are moving to Canada with firearms.
You cannot bring prohibited firearms or other prohibited items, including replica firearms, to Canada. For purposes of Canadian law, replica firearms are devices that resemble a real firearm, other than an antique firearm, with near precision but that cannot discharge projectiles or that can only discharge harmless projectiles.
Restricted firearms are only allowed for an approved purpose, such as target shooting or as part of a collection . They are not generally allowed for self-protection.
You must be at least 18 years old to be able to bring a restricted or non-restricted firearm to Canada.
Licensing and Registration Requirements
To be able to possess a firearm lawfully in Canada, you need a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) allowing you to possess that class of firearm and a valid registration certificate for the firearm.
You will probably need to wait until you arrive in Canada to apply for a PAL because, before you apply, you need to meet specific Canadian safety training requirements. A course from your own country would not meet the requirements of the law. However, as a temporary measure, you may bring the firearms to Canada and declare them in writing, using the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration (form CAFC 909). If you have more than three firearms, attach the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration Continuation Sheet (form CAFC 910).
Once a customs officer has confirmed the declaration, it will have the effect of a licence for you and a registration certificate for all firearms listed on the declaration for up to 60 days, at a fee of $25 Canadian. The fee will cover all firearms listed on the declaration.
It will probably take you longer than 60 days to obtain your PAL and register your firearms, so you will need to renew your confirmed declaration before it expires. You can renew a confirmed declaration by calling the Chief Firearms Officer of the province in which you reside by calling 1 800 731-4000. There is no fee to renew a confirmed declaration.
Obtaining a PAL
To apply for a PAL, submit form CAFC 921 and include evidence that you have met the safety training requirements. Contact the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) of the province where you will most likely be using the firearm for information on any other documents you need to provide from authorities in your country to assist with the background safety check.
You must also provide two references on your PAL application. It is not necessary that your references be from Canada. However, they must have known you for three years or more, and they will need to sign the form. Your spouse cannot be a reference.
Any spouses or conjugal partners with whom you have lived in the past two years must be notified or sign the application form before it will be approved.
The fee for an initial PAL is $60 for non-restricted firearms, or $80 for any combination of restricted and non-restricted firearms. A PAL must be renewed every five years for as long as you possess firearms. The fees to renew a PAL are waived until May 17, 2008.
On average, complete and accurate PAL applications are processed within 45 days, including a legislated minimum waiting period of 28 days before a licence can be issued.
Registering your Firearms
Upon receiving your PAL, your firearms must be verified by an approved verifier and registered. You will need to wait until you obtain your PAL to register your firearms.
For help to verify and register your firearms, call 1 800 731-4000 (Canada and the U.S.) or 1 506 624-5380 (outside Canada and the U.S.). There is no fee to verify or register a firearm.
If you have any questions for Canada Border Services Agency, please call them at 1 800 461-9999 (inside Canada); or, 1 (204) 983-3500 or 1 (506) 636-5064 (outside Canada).
Transporting Firearms
All firearms must be unloaded and transported in a safe and secure manner to deter loss, theft and accidents.
If you transport your firearms yourself, you will need to comply with the safe transportation rules for individuals.
If any of your firearms are restricted, you will need an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from the CFO of the province or territory where you enter Canada. You will need to show a copy of your ATT, along with your licence and registration certificate, to the customs officer.
A CFO can issue an ATT to enable you to bring a restricted firearm into Canada only if you have a valid Canadian licence and registration certificate or a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration that has been confirmed by a customs officer.
If you have a valid PAL and registration certificate, you will be able to apply in advance. If you will be bringing the firearms with you and declaring them with a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration, you will need to wait until your declaration has been confirmed, before you call the CFO to request an ATT. You can reach any of the CFOs Monday to Friday, from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. local time, by calling 1 800 731-4000. Keep these hours of operation in mind when making your travel arrangements. If you are unable to arrange your arrival time to coincide with the CFO office hours of operation, you may wish to call the CFO in advance to see if you can make other arrangements to obtain an ATT.
If you have your firearms shipped, they will need to be sent by licensed carrier. The firearms must be unloaded and packed in a sturdy, non-transparent container that cannot readily be broken open or into. To deter loss and theft, it is generally recommended that there be no markings on the outside of the container to indicate that there is a firearm inside. Instead, you may wish to attach an envelope labeled 'customs documents' to the outside of the container, then put any documents needed to identify the contents for customs purposes inside.
Information
For more information, contact us by one of the following methods:
telephone: 1 800 731-4000 (Canada and U.S. Toll Free) 1 506 624-5380 (outside Canada and the U.S.)
web site: www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca
e-mail: cfc-cafc@cfc-cafc.gc.ca
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/visitin_e.asp
Classes of Firearms and Devices
There are three classes of firearms in Canada:
Non-restricted (most common rifles and shotguns): These may generally be imported for purposes such as hunting, protection from wild animals in remote wilderness areas where firearms are allowed, or target-shooting. They may also be taken in transit through Canada by a reasonably direct route.
Restricted: These are allowed for certain purposes, such as target shooting at an approved club or range, but they are not allowed for hunting or self-protection.
Prohibited: You cannot bring a prohibited firearm into Canada.
Some firearms are classified as restricted or prohibited under the Criminal Code based on their general characteristics (e.g. barrel length or calibre); other restricted and prohibited firearms are specified by name in Criminal Code Regulations.
Some large-capacity magazines are prohibited even if the firearms to which the magazines are attached are allowed. As a general rule, the maximum capacity is:
five cartridges for most magazines designed for a centre fire semi-automatic long gun; and
ten cartridges for most handgun magazines.
There is no maximum magazine capacity for other types of long guns, including semi-automatics that discharge only rim-fire ammunition.
Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are prohibited and cannot be brought into Canada. Replica firearms are devices that look exactly or almost exactly like a real firearm but that cannot discharge a projectile or that can only discharge harmless projectiles. As a rule, to be prohibited, a device must closely resemble an existing make and model of firearm, not just a generic firearm. Many of these devices have to be assessed case by case.
Devices designed exclusively for signaling purposes (e.g. flare guns), and intended to be used solely for that purpose, are exempt from the requirements set out below.
Licensing and Registration Requirements
Firearm owner and users in Canada need a valid firearms licence allowing them to possess firearms and a Canadian registration certificate for each firearm in their possession. A licence issued under Canada's Firearms Act is different from a provincial hunting licence.
As a non-resident, you have two options for meeting the Canadian licensing and registration requirements
Option 1
You can declare your firearms in writing, in triplicate, using the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration (form CAFC 909).
If you are bringing more than three firearms, attach a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration Continuation Sheet (form CAFC 910).
Please fill out the declaration form ahead of time to save time at the point of entry. However, wait until you arrive at the point of entry to sign the form because a customs officer must witness your signature.
Once the customs officer has confirmed your declaration, it will have the same effect as a licence for you and a temporary registration certificate for all the firearms you bring to Canada. It is valid for 60 days. You can renew your declaration at no additional fee, if you renew it before it expires, by contacting the CFO of the province or territory where you are staying. To renew it, call 1 800 731-4000.
A confirmed declaration costs a flat fee of $25, regardless of the number of firearms listed on it. It is only valid for the person who signs it and for those firearms listed on the declaration. If you come with others who will be using firearms in Canada, you will each need to meet these requirements.
Option 2
You can apply for a five-year Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) and register your firearms in Canada. You must wait until you get your PAL before you register your firearms.
If you apply for a PAL, you must provide evidence that you have passed the written and practical tests for the Canadian Firearms Safety Course. If you wish to be licensed for restricted firearms, you must also have passed the tests for Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course. A course from your own country would not meet the requirements of Canadian law. You can take the tests without taking the courses.
Contact the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) of the province where you will most likely be using the firearm for information on any other documents you need to provide from authorities in your country to assist with the background safety check.
Once you have your PAL, you can apply to register your firearms online for free or by submitting a paper application (CAFC 998). The firearms must be verified by an approved verifier before they are registered. When you submit your registration application, you must provide evidence that an approved verifier has verified your firearm. Call 1 800 731-4000 (Canada and the U.S.) or 1 506-624-5380 (outside Canada and the U.S.) for help to verify your firearms.
If you have a valid licence and registration certificate, you will not have to complete the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration and pay a fee. However, you will still have to make an oral declaration to the customs officer.
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WELCOME TO CANUKISTAN!!!
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*"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity"-Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis*